Illegals Only Take The Jobs Americans Don't Want?

The truth is that illegals will take any jobs they can get..





You can be educated and skilled and lose a good job and have to take any job you can get in the US unstable economy. At least for a time. Many people have been through it. Illegal populations are much higher in some places like in the southwest and they are more competition for "any" jobs there. And black americans and hispanic americans are the most affected by competition with illegals for the "any" jobs.





So I think we can can call this a myth. And say that there is a real problem with this and that some US citizens are really hurt by illegal immigration.





I don't have an answer. I do know that it will not be solved by big arrests and deportions of illegals or building a wall on an imaginary line. Those are simple minded ideas that appeal to some people on an emotional level. And to hate on illegals is bad and stupid.





Any ideas for this?

Illegals Only Take The Jobs Americans Don't Want?
The problem is that you want to pretend that illegals do not hurt us; but they do. Border hospitals closing down due to illegals using resources. Lowered wages for all American citizens, at least at unskilled laboring jobs. Higher crime rates in the areas that illegals predominate. Stolen identities of citizens, with all of the cost and hassle that that entails. One could go on and on. How to address this problem? Well that is simple: By a three pronged attack.





1. Imprison anyone that hires an illegal for 5 years flat--no good time, no early outs. Five Years for selling out the American worker to greed. For anyone that has had to try to survive on $7.00/hour this should sound about right. For the rest of you...well lucky you.





2. Deport all illegals and all of their dependents. No anchor babies , no BS. Use the national Guard if need be; but deport and deport with absolute disregard for all of the liberal whining that will ensue.


As an added bonus all Asian illegal can go to Mexico so that they can enjoy diversity for a little while--In Mexico!!





3. Militarize the borders. Mines fields and fences keep people IN the Eastern Block--so why exactly can they not keep illegals out?


This would have the added benefit of having to bring our 100,000 troops back from Germany. Germany and the USA would win out.





As to the economic arguments--to hell with the worthless paper called a dollar. Our country is of greater worth than Wall Street, or the Federal Reserve Bank--which is really just a con-game.





And as a point in fact those that whine loudest about my proposals will do those that will never be affected by the invasion from south of the border. Mainly White Liberals and the super Rich.
Reply:better answer below under my name , thank u Report It

Reply:No its that mexicans will do a better job and they work hard for there money period!
Reply:Illegals are not stealing jobs. They are just willing to work in order to make money for their families. If other ethnic people really wanted to be out there on the fields along with the illegals they would be out there. It just proves that the illegals are willing to do anything in order to provide for their love ones. That is what a true family member does. Does anything necessary in order to provide.
Reply:"And black americans and hispanic americans are the most affected by competition with illegals for the "any" jobs.





Are u trying to say blacks and hispanics will take any jobs because they are uneducated?
Reply:Well think about it, if I'm a doctor i don't care if someone enters illegally because no hospital will hire a illegal immigrant to be a doctor. If I'm a unskilled worker , however i do have a lot to worry about as anyone can take my job.
Reply:I agree with you somewhat. But, Illegals are a vital part to the U.S. economy. If we were to kick them all out, in the long run we would suffer. It's true that they take the jobs that we don't want (for the most part).
Reply:Doesn't make a difference about jobs, better life, feeding there family's, anchor baby's used as human shields, It changes nothing they have broking our laws being here for what ever reason, It time to face the facts,The end is near,for the illegals being allowed to stay,We are enforcing our laws bad stupid %26amp; mean or whatever it's the truth and they will have to face it and leave%26gt;?
Reply:I think that the best solution is to continue monitoring the employers. Desperate employees will take sub-standard wages, rather than nothing at all, effectively "under-bidding" the US citizens willing to do the same work, and who can blame them? They want to eat. But the employers who get away with paying less than they legally should, AND breaking the law by hiring illegals--they have a much easier choice. They can eat either way; they just want to save more money.





If people stopped hiring illegals, illegals would be less drawn to the States.
Reply:people who think this are ignorant and are trying to take the focus off the facts--- illegal immigrants are breaking the law ,they are criminals plain and simple.i don't give a rats a ss what they want out of life coming here illegally does not soften my hearts for them.fix your problems in your own country don't bring your crap and trash to ours!! i don't care about you being deported that is what should happen to you and your children.if you are an illegal immigrant and you give birth your child should not be given status as a citizen!!! send you and all your family back if you came illegally,dropping your litter here does not make anyone here responsible for your kids!!! take care of your own!!!don't expect free hand outs cause you snuck into our country it is not our problem!!! if you commit a felony in our country whether you are a legal citizen or not you should be executed,plain and simple!!! what our citizens will do for a job is none of their business and we should not have to take a screwing on wages and benefits cause company's are so d amn greedy!! you see what good that has been!!!! shipping jobs overseas for cheap labor and huge profits and the products are unsafe because people do not have the education or training to make a quality product and no one on either side of the borders are inspecting any products to speak of in a safe consistent manner!!! too much money under the table and bad politics!!!
Reply:Illegal immigration does hurt the US economic infrastructure. Illegal aliens are willing to work for less than an American? True. Why? because of the economic structure in America verses what ever Country they came from the wages the illegal aliens make here translate into a HUGE wage in their “home country” There is no huge influx of illegal aliens such as Canadians or British or Australians,, it’s only 2nd and 3rd world very low income countries who are illegally entering the US.





Remember building the ALASKA PIPELINE?? Wages were Astronomical !! people from the “lower 48” flocked to Alaska as the wages there translated to $90,000 + per year for just driving a truck !! Progressively higher Tech. jobs paid even MORE !! The current situation is EXACTLY the same !!





Transversely,, the American infrastructure is taking a huge beating through all social service programs,, Hospital ER’s,, school systems, all social service systems as America refuses to discriminate based on Legal entry into the US. The US social system burns up billions of social service dollars on illegal aliens who do not help fund that system.





So your argument, “ I do know that it will not be solved by big arrests and deportions of illegals or building a wall on an imaginary line. Those are simple minded ideas that appeal to some people on an emotional level. And to hate on illegals is bad and stupid.” is flawed and shows you have not researched the entire scope of illegal Aliens.





I don’t “hate” illegal aliens,, refuse to… The point is America does have a OPEN DOOR for immigration,,, USE THE DANG THING !! QUIT sneaking in through the cracks in the walls and floors !! Come, work, contribute to the “HOUSE” which you want to LIVE IN,, quit being a leach on the social service’s which are provided through paying income taxes. Income taxes are a nation wide thing that makes all the benefits available to all.





Legal American’s don’t get to live in this “HOUSE” rent free,,, why should anyone else???
Reply:start a new war .


just kidding .


i mean stop america doing new wars , and use the money for the war which is very very very lot of money in making new jobs for people and to help them .
Reply:I really feel that its been building over the past 10 years, people who market and sell things have learned how to pull us in even faster with easy credit, this keeps us wanting things we really can't buy but do anyway, pulled down with credit and no way out most people cant take jobs that start out paying very little because if people did that their would be little chance of keeping up with their bills and credit card payments, this tied with our never ending thirst for bigger and better things that we really don't need has brought us to financial ruin as working class people, so if we cant , not will not take those low paying jobs maybe you can now see what the american government may already know about us as citizens we spend more than we make, so because of that pluse we are lazy now the companys must find people who will work for a low wage, i have a son 18 that thinks unless he is making 20 dollars an hour he just will not work very hard at his job, and he really has no good job skills, so just because he thinks he needs to look rich to be part of the american spending trend,he has a big screen tv, 5 different game machines and a $500 dollar collection of games for each machine, then a truck payment and an extra car on the side as well, all on the credit because his mom did it for years and thats how he learned to do it too, i divorced her 8 years ago because she kept me brock all the time and would do anything to buy stuff we didnt need like 4 tv sets and 5 phones on and on, the problem is americans, they must change or we will all go down the tube soon, that is really what the problem is like it or not its us.
Reply:Yeah, but can you admit that it will never stop going forward unless there is a dramatic sea change in the idea - going forward - that 'enforcement' and requiring ID of legal presence for benefits of all kinds is somehow 'unfair'?





You can't keep giving poor people major benefits and expect them not to come.





So what do we do about THAT?





And to Ryan, education is the absolute point. Illegal immigration is ruining our children's education.
Reply:well first i would like to make clear than in my opinion there is many Americans who in fact work the same jobs the undocumented usually have , the problem however is that as u just said people just do not want to stay working at those very same jobs for long and take them as something they can do while they find something better . i mean what as an employer would u do ??? . i have seen a lot of jobs sitting there for weeks with out anyone ever showing up until an undocumented does .





the solution is simple but yet many do not want to accept it , what we truly need to do is to legalize those who are with out documents in the USA so that they are able to defend themselves against abusive people , people who by the way are American but that misrepresent the welcoming spirit of this nation . we need to allow everyone to have the same rights and we need to allow them to not be afraid to be part of an union of workers and we need to know who is here and whether or not that person is here or not to make a living by working .





just as a note i wanted to add that i had seen many abused and than most of those abused were not even immigrants but citizens with criminal records who by the way may be finding difficult to find a job because of their records , would their situation change after ??? the answer is not it wouldn't , people do not trust them and i am pretty sure that most antis pros and anyone with common sense would ratter have an undocumented nanny to someone who has been in jail .





..................... here something interesting which i found and contradicts what u just stated from fox news the news which most antis trust :D :





Help Wanted: Employers in West Can't Find Enough Workers





Sunday, August 26, 2007





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HELENA, Mont. — The owner of a fast food joint in Montana's booming oil patch found himself outsourcing the drive-thru window to a Texas telemarketing firm, not because it's cheaper but because he can't find workers.





Record low unemployment across parts of the West has created tough working conditions for business owners, who in places are being forced to boost wages or be creative to fill their jobs.





John Francis, who owns the McDonald's in Sidney, Mont., said he tried advertising in the local newspaper and even offered up to $10 an hour to compete with higher-paying oil field jobs. Yet the only calls were from other business owners upset they would have to raise wages, too. Of course, Francis' current employees also wanted a pay hike.





"I don't know what the answer is," Francis said. "There's just nobody around that wants to work.





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Economists say there are a number of reasons why parts of the West are feeling the labor pinch.





Established baby boomers, including retirees, have been moving into Montana for the mountain views and recreation, bringing with them money for new homes that fuel construction job growth, said Swanson.





Along the way, younger people have moved away searching for bigger paychecks as the state's wages still lag behind other areas and are slowly increasing overall. Now, the aging work force is unable to expand to meet the demands of the job market, Swanson said.





He said the problem is compounded by the fact that employers, accustomed to paying relatively low wages, have been slow to increase salaries. Montana wages have historically been among the lowest in the country, and still rank near the bottom. The silver lining for workers is that wages are now growing at the third-fastest rate among U.S. states.





Now, workers with more options in some places are unwilling to take $12-an-hour jobs





to read more : http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,2946...
Reply:The answer to your question is no.





I have friends that are working illegaly in the US in very likeable jobs. One of them is currently head of a very good restaurant in Manhattan. He entered the restaurant via a contact who let him work there. It is important to mention that first he studied cuisine in Minneapolis. Later on he was promoted to restaurant manager.





I got another friend who's working as a translator for American tv shows into Spanish, so they can be "exported" to Latin America.





At some point in time, I also got some relatives working in very decent jobs with the Dallas / Ft. Worth airport. And I don't mean as janitors or stuff like that, but as something more complicated as technical engineer manager or I don't know what.





I think there are 2 things to consider here:


1. There will always be a sense of helping those of your kind or kin.


2. That a Mexican is living or working illegaly in the US does not necessarily means that he is less prepared as anyone else for a job. On the end, for a lot of jobs the only thing that you need is to speak English, which is by far a very easy task to achieve by merely anyone. If a guy is good, probably you won't mind where he is from. In other words, Mexicans are normally considered as great, qualified work force, not unskilled workers.





Now, does this people who are getting likeable jobs represent a big percentage of the concerning issue? I don't know the answer to this, but I imagine it is not that big. I imagine more Americans loose their jobs when the American companies decide to close a plant in US and open a new one elsewhere, like Mexico, India or China.





In Mexico we also have illegal Americans, Central Americans, South Americans, Chinese and Europeans working in Mexico. I reckon people just don't care. It is common only to see that local authorities take action against European women who are being "used" for strip clubs and stuff.
Reply:It is time to take this country back. If you are not legal, get out!
Reply:I don't think that any illegal has a job that I want. I have never lost a job because of an illegal. There are tons of jobs out there. I think the only way to fix the problems that illegal immigration causes is give them temp. status and let them work, pay taxes and pay fines and they all have to learn english and have their own medical insurance, no free rides.
Reply:More and more jobs in construction are being done by illegals because contractors are too cheap to pay union wages. The H1-B program imports cheap scab labor into the United States under the guise of there being a shortage of high tech skills. That is nothing but a damn lie. Hillary Clinton promised to support raising the ceiling at a rally with Silicon Valley CEO's a couple of months back. The bottom line is that there is a war on the American worker from both illegal and legal immigration.
Reply:Keith, You have other things to worry. Xrays are being electronically sent to India, A company try to send a person needing Surgery to India, but the Union stop that,and In California, Blue Cross is encouraging people to get treatment in Mexico. I've seen foreign labor, and even if they have a college degree they are generally inferior. Frankly they have an third world education. That is why I know so many Doctors working in other positions.





As for the meet of the question, I agree. THe bright spot is that more people mean the economy enlarges. Hispanics also needs specialize services and so they are more likely to spend more. Also Those who are born here has an advantage and because they have a foot on both sides of the door, they are most likely be able to open a small business theat service the newly immigrated and become rich from that. Before everyone thinks Me and Sigy switched sides LOL





The negative also exist. THey are direct competition in the Niche that legal Hispanics has made, but It hurts the African AMerican even more. The Hispanics are locked to their own peope for service, due to cultural and language barriers. Because Hispanics make up such a huge portion of some states, that it kills all other small business. Unless you can cater to the Hispanics in LA, or find another Niche, your company would fail. Small business need to hire people who can translate spanish, or learn spanish themselves. That's hard for Mom and Pop business, or independet contractors. PLus despite illegal's enlarge our economy, they seem to be more of a burden. Study show that African American's pay has dramatically went down due to illegal immigrants. Simple supply and demand means more workers equals lower pay.


For those who advocate illegal immigrants, there are various visas that could bring in labor when needed. These visas has language that ensures that the economy is monitored and the imported labor would not dramatically drop peoples pay. It also helps protect the rights of the immigrant and therefore rights of all. The lessons from the H1B visa is that our government has been derilict in enforcing the rules protecting us from companies abusing these rules.
Reply:The problem with your analysis about the southwest is that these states have unemployment at levels below four percent, but have undocumented workers composed ten percent of the workforce. The number of unemployed in these states is a drop in the bucket compared to the number of undocumented workers.





In reality, what we are seeing is the educated not being impacted and we honestly could care less about the uneducated workers. John Edwards talks about the two Americas, but he has the concept wrong. What we are seeing is one society composed of the educated and one composed of the uneducated.
Reply:Sigy, they cannot have our jobs...sorry. Not today or any other. The only place an illegal is entitled to a job is in their own country. I applaud you for recognizing the myth that illegals only take jobs that Americans don't want because it is exactly that, a myth. I disagree with you that it won't be solved by arrests and deportations but I think there are circumstances that need to be looked at closer in some cases instead of arrest and deportation. I don't know what I think about a wall right now but I'd love for you to go to a place like China or Israel and tell them that their borders aren't real...they're only imaginary lines. No, they are our borders and that needs to be taken seriously and considered very real.





Jalisco really makes a good point about the American lifestyle.
Reply:Yes, Americans are hurt by illegal immigration. And yes it is OK to hate on someone who constantly steals from you until you are broke.
Reply:Yes and whose to say we are not hurt more by the OUTSOURCING companies. My father lost his job $52,000 a year as a telecommunications to well who knows??? Perhaps India or China, people who will granted work the same job for $15,000 per year. BUT do they pass on the SAVING TO US???? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY LINE THEIR OWN POCKETS and OUR costs continue to RISE%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;!!!!! AND SO I CAN FIGURE OUT WHO TO SEND THE TICKING TIME BOMB THAT REPRESENTS OUR ECONOMY%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt; WHO IS THEY????%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;%26gt; WHO IS GIVING OUR JOBS TO THE LOWEST BIDDER IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES?????





WHERE IS OUR AMERICAN ECONOMY???? GONE!!!!!
Reply:The Economy is not unstable.This false assumption makes your point moot.
Reply:The Mexicans (legal or not) that I know are very hard working, honest individuals. They do valuable work, and I appreciate that a lot. The only reason I so adamantly want them to be legal is so they can get the social services they so desperately need. We can't help them if we can't document them.
Reply:it is an economic fact that if we dont have more foreign workers legal or illegal the economy wont be able to grow.